NVP's Method for New Guys

If you haven't read my first post about where new guys should start, here it is.

New Guys... Start Here


Now that you have that down, its time to start adding more to it.

Nutrition - First off, time to start lifting weights if you arent already. Find you a nice 30-45 minute routine that you can do 3 times a week. Circuit training is great when you're new to the gym. Its a quick way to get your cardio up, tone your muscle, and get in shape. Now if you want to get buff, its not for you. But you can look up all types of programs on the internet. Supersets, circuit training, whatever.

Nutrition - And this ties into the first one. Start eating a more balanced diet. Stay away from alot of carbs in the evening. Dont drink lots of carbonated beverages. Drink plenty of milk, juice, and water during the day. Start eating half as much fast food(or less) than you usually do if youre into hamburgers and pizza and other fried things. Try and get at least three solid meals in everyday. A good breakfast, a light lunch, a light snack if possible, and a good dinner. Try to give yourself at least 4 hours between dinner and the time you go to sleep to burn off the calories you took in from dinner. You'll sleep alot better, feel alot better, and lose more body fat this way(as opposed to water weight).


Search for some good tips on club game. I would have, but I don't feel like doing everything for you, you know? You're all big boys now, you can go find things for yourself. Make it a point to start going to sarge clubs, bars, or any other place like that at least 1 night every two weeks. If not more. 3 times in two weeks is probably enough.


AtTheClub - Learn how to make insta-wings. Honestly, recruit the guys who look like they're having success with women. Just start talking to em. Talk about which girls are hot. Who had their ass on you and knew how to move. Whatever. Get these guys numbers so you can go to the club together again. These guys will be your naturals to pick apart to learn from.


AtTheClub - If you drink alot when you go clubbing, cut it to a minimum for a few months. Learn to sarge as clear headed as possible. If you never drink when you go to the club, try sarging after having 1 or 2 drinks. If you feel alot more comfortable and loose, try to keep that up for a couple of months. But dont go overboard. If you dont drink at all... Congratulations you bastard. You make alcoholics like me feel bad, lol. Just playin. If you dont drink. Dont drink.


AtTheClub - If its more of a dance club type of place and not really a bar, stop opening with damn routines, lol. If she's facing you, whether this is on the dance floor or not, go over to her, hold solid eye contact, you can even have a slight smirk on your face if you want to appear really comfortable (which you should be). Grab her hand(not hard you ass) and kinda just drag her off to the dance floor. If not her hand then her waist. You really dont have to talk alot of the times.

If she resists, just tell her, "You look like you can dance."


AtTheClub - If youre already on the dance floor, just step up behind a girl if she's turned around and pretend like you know what you're doing. She'll grind on you. If you just drug a girl to the dance floor or she was facing you, hold her hand, turn her around and bull her towards you. Not in a rough way though. Be fairly gentle, but be dominant at the same time. If she resists, just let her do her thing. Move on to another girl. If not, then get your waist close to her ass. She should start grinding. If not, and you dont know what to do, then you need to watch other girls grind on guys and get it down to where you can move her hips with your hands in the same manner when she's dancing on you.


AtTheClub - You will hear all types of bullshit excuses. I dont dance. I cant dance. My friend ... I'm too tired. I'm about to leave. I need to go to the bathroom. I need a drink.

Whatever. Default answer for any bullshit until you learn something better to say:

Cool.

Then keep trying to do whatever it was you were trying to do (in this case, get her to grind on you for a song or two).

The entire point of this is to get you comfortable in the club, with the loud music, the liquor, smoke, not being able to hold a real conversation, ect. To get you touching women and moving in a way thats sexual. To get rid of fears that you may have about approaching women in the club. To get you comfortable period, so you can move on to bigger and better things.

If you can get a couple of dances in, and you have some good club game, feel free to run it now. If not, you can say whatever you want, go for a #close (which will probably be wood but that doesnt matter anyway), go for a SDL, whatever.


DayGame - The chick at the line at Mcdonalds, the girl who brings the pizza to your table at Pizza Hut, The car salesman(girl) trying to sell you on that shitty Mazda at some bullshit car place, The girl next to you in the computer lab, the foreign girl working at the stand at the mall trying to sell you lotion(if anybody knows where I got that from, they are probably laughin their ass off right now), the girl who asks you what size shoe do you wear at Foot Locker

You need to be talking to and flirting with all these girls. They have to talk to you. Their day jobs suck. Theyre probably bored out of there minds and need some fun convo and some relief from the losers that they talk to every day.

Unless you specifically came there to buy something, stop letting these girls talk you into buying shit. Pizza Hut and Mickey D's dont count because you came in there to buy food, lol. Flirt, tease, c/f away. Laugh, joke, and play, brighten her mood, tell her she looks kinda cute today, especially considering she's at work. Whatever. Say/do something. Be fun and interesting. Great practice - and you might get free food or a number too.

DayGame - Fun exercise for you to work at on your own. I get free food all the time. Just by flirting with girls. Can you learn how to get free food more often? And no you cant beg or say you're poor(unless its an obvious joke).

DayGame - Apart from with the "at their job" chicks, if you arent normally a Cocky/Funny type of guy, STOP USING IT LIKE ITS A METHOD. Lol, im naturally a C/F kind of guy. Its no more a technique to me than typing is to a computer nerd(no offense). Because if you run around being C/F all day long, she's going to have expecations from you that you simply cannot fill if all you're doing is spitting some lines.

Flirt, joke, tease, every once in awhile. C/F here and there when you need to. Other than that, just loosen up and be fun. Talk. Hold conversations. If you really cant think of anything, then just go the afc route and go down that list of questions they all ask like its an interview or something. As long as you're out there talking to girls, I dont care.


DayGame - YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY GO OUT AND DO THIS. I dont care if you work 55 hours a week. You need to take a sickday every week just to go out and do this if you want to get better. I'm not saying sacrifice your job, but if you want to get better, you have to sacrifice time that could be spent doing other things. You shouldnt be working 55 hours a week anyway. Its unhealthy.


DayGame - Read my other post(url above) and check out the posts on kino that are in there. Once you're comfortable with kinoing the girls hands and you can get into conversations a little easier, its time start pushing further. Flirt with girls, get them laughing, do false takeaways. All those techniques you read about. If you do get her laughing and flirting with you, this is your new routine.

"Awww, thats so sweet. You love me." Then put your arm around her and stand next to her. You know, like how you see people walk down the street with one arm over the shoulder and the other person has their arm aound the others waist. Simply, just put your arm around her, she'll follow suit especially if she thought that was funny or cute. This is your new routine. Get used to doing it until its natural. If you get good, you can change it around, add stuff to it, #close from it, whatever. And its probably gonna take just as many girls to get used to this, as it did with my first kino advice about holding the girls hand "forever."


Its alot of work, I know. Pretend like this is Nike. Just do it. And once you get comfortable, it'll be like Burger King and you can have it your way. Until then, you have to plenty to be doing.

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Being successful with women is not about the lines you recite or the moves you make. Any loser can trick a woman into sleeping with him. That doesn't keep him from being a loser.

Its about who you are and where your focus is, not what you do. If youre comfortable with yourself, comfortable with women, and comfortable with being sexual, you ARE the kind of guy that is successful with women.

NVP

Sex, Love, Relationships: Knowing What You Want

Alot of people go through life drifting with little or no purpose. And thats fine. People are free to do what they want. But on the other hand, those same people want to meet great men or great women, and have great sex, feel loved, have strong relationships and so on. But when it comes to meeting and attracting the opposite sex, this aimless way of interaction will produce none of those things that you search for.

Some guys attempt to meet women only for sex. And I'm not going to debate the morality of issues like this, but just emphasize the fact that while some guys only want sex, they have no means, no way, nor any direction in how to get that, so in turn they lead women on in a direction completely conflicting with "just sex." Whether it be getting into relationships, lying about how they feel, manipulating their emotions, or any other means, when all they want is sex. But what most men dont know is that regardless of whether women will choose to admit it, they would rather have no-strings attached sex and enjoy themselves than to be led on and lied to and feel cheated once they do have sex with a man, thinking that there is more to it than there really is.

Some women only attempt to meet men for the sole purpose of getting into a "relationship". And whether they want that relationship for comfort, or financial stability, or to feel love, they have no means, no way, nor any direction in how to be efficient in getting that. They manage to lead men on in a direction completely conflicting with "a relationship." Some use their looks, their dress, their attitude, their sex appeal, even sex itself to lure men into "a relationship" while the means that they use say nothing about the woman being relationship material. But what most women dont know is that regardless of what men say, do, or admit, most men are happy to settle down in an exclusive, caring relationship than to be led on thinking that what they're getting is going to be "just sex" when in actuality, the woman is seeking a relationship.

Let me add in a small amount of psychology(i can hear the complaints already, its not that bad though). I'd like to introduce you to a term called a "frame". A frame would be like the perspective through which a person views, events, relationships, people, emotions, life, etc. Its like the way you view the world at any given point in time. And throughout our day, we take on many different frames to deal with the events that occur for each of us.

Example: You have a car wreck, you have no insurance, and you end up not only having to pay for your own car but also the car of the other individual who was involved in the collision.

There are many ways you can look at this incident. Or in other words, there are many frames you can take on the even, whether they be constructive or deficient.

Frame 1: This is horrible. I dont know how I'm going to pay for all of this. I dont know what I'm going to do. I feel terrible.

Frame 2: I know I have to pay for all of this, but I'm so glad to be alive. It couldve been much worse. At least I've learned some lessons from all of this. I'll just have to work hard to cover the financial part of this situation.

Now regardless of which way you would frame the situation, both involve actually taking care of the specific event. But the way you frame a situation can either better prepare you to handle that specific occurrence and future events like it or hinder you in going in the direction you need to go in making things work for you. I'll let you decide which example is which.

So... what does that have to do with what I was saying earlier? Great question, I'm glad you asked. It has everything to do with what I was saying. The problem with most men and women in those situations I talked about are occurring almost exclusively because people want certain things in life and they spend so much time and effort to get them. But all that work amounts to only disappointment when you start with a frame that is not conducive to to your goals.

Guys, if all you want is "just sex," then you should have a frame of "all I want is just sex." And regardless of what you say, or do, or how you act, or anything else, if you reference your actions to your frame, none of your actions should say anything else. Telling a woman you love her, or you want to be with her, or taking her out to expensive dinners, or buying her roses and flowers, or anything of the like is definitely not going to get you what you want. And if it does, its going to create far more complicated issues than if your actions would match the frame you take on the situation.

Women, if what you're looking for is a "relationship", then you should have a frame of "what I'm looking for is a relationship." And regardless of what you say, or do, or how you act or anything else, if you reference your actions to your frame, nothing you do should be in conflict with that. Sleeping with a guy to get him in a relationship, using your looks and your sexuality alone to attract men, meeting guys in clubs and bars expecting great relationship material, screening out the boring 9-5 guys that would be great for relationships for the players, the smooth talking guys, the bad boys, etc, and other things like that is definitely not going to get you what you want. And if it does, its going to put you in situations far more devastating than if your actions would match the the frame you take on the situation.

And I'm not telling guys to stop looking for relationships with women who are great and make you happy and for women to stop having sex with a guy when you're attracted to each other and you want to enjoy each other. What I am saying is, stop doing the things that are counterproductive to getting what you want. And the first step is to fix your frame, and stick to it.

And this is the BEGINNING of meeting men and women and having great people in your life, and having what you want without lying, cheating, or deceiving yourself, nor anyone else. And this is key to making your life more fulfilling, as well as your relationships with the opposite sex.

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Being successful with women is not about the lines you recite or the moves you make. Any loser can trick a woman into sleeping with him. That doesn't keep him from being a loser.

Its about who you are and where your focus is, not what you do. If youre comfortable with yourself, comfortable with women, and comfortable with being sexual, you ARE the kind of guy that is successful with women.

NVP

Kino - Bring On The Touching

Number one reason why kinosthetics(touching) is not only important, but the reason why you should do it early, and I'll let you give me the answer. How many girls are you going to bed that dont even feel comfortable with you touching them?

Exactly. A girl isnt goin to let you anywhere close to her pants without being comfortable with you simply touching her. Even more so, the sooner you start with kino, the less likely she is to object.

http://fastseduction.com/discussion/fs?action=9&read=58224&fid=23&BoardID=2#358254

Woodhaven has a great post about different stages of kino, incidental and overt. And these range anywhere from just brushing up against a girl and just sitting close enough to a girl that touching just happens to kissing and everything else. I'm not saying the sooner you start to rub on her vagina, the less likely she is to object. Maybe I aught to field test that first.

Anyway, what I'm saying is (and this is word for word something else I posted):

- What I've found though is that the earlier you start, the less you have to go through to get to later stages of kino. And by early I mean, as soon as you open your mouth (im exaggerating, but within the first 2 or 3 minutes)you should have at least touched her in ways other than shaking hands, at least a couple of times. For instance, if you say something jokingly, tap or punch her arm lightly as you say it. Touch her hand lightly for whatever reason. Move beside her and "accidently" brush up against her. If you're walking, walk close to her so that incidental contact is going to happen.

I'm real playful and I joke alot and use my sense of humor to get physically close to her very quickly. If you have any grasp on c/f, you can be sexual and funny at the same time, have her laughing and open the door to hold her hand, put your/her arm around her/you, hug, kiss on the cheek whatever in 5-10 minutes.

It makes it very easy to escalate later on because you've already been physical in a way that was more than incidental but by keeping the incidental contact mixed in as you're gaming her, you take the touchy/feely vibe out of the interaction. And the longer you wait to start kino, the more resistant she is to you advancing.

Why kinoing early works so well is that, and I know from experience that women(and people in general) are very accepting as long as there is no reason to for them not to be. What I mean by that is that once a girl perceives you in a certain way, she accepts that as who you are. Move too far away from that perception too fast and she's going to get uncomfortable killing whatever rapport you've built. Stay close to that perception and if need be, you can edge away a little at a time without any problem. The point then, is to start off doing things so that you will be perceived in a manner thats beneficial to whatever goal you seek. -


Most naturals I've seen and/or know, are good with kino and start early. Personally, I've always used kino. Even before I found the community. Then you realize how important it is and you learn to implement it every sarge.

For all of you new guys out there, you have to learn how to touch girls. Point, blank, period. You have to learn how to get comfortable talking to girls first, sure. But at some point you have to learn how to be close to girls. How to touch them. And how to be comfortable doing it in a way that feels natural. Its like saying some lines youre not congruent with. You go around huggin on girls and touching there leg and putting your arm around their shoulder but you dont really feel comfortable, they're gonna pick up on that and its going to work against you. But if you arent comfortable doing it, you just gotta push past that.

Another thing that kino is great for that guys completely ignore is the fact that it screens girls for easy and/or quick lays. You start touching girls as early as possible, its easier to gauge the girls that are HSD, are really comfortable with themselves, are physically attracted to you... anything that could be considered for lack of a better term, fool's mate. You might turn the conversation sexual to judge where you are in the sarge or how attracted a girl is to you. You use kino the same way.

You have to escalate at some point anyway. Why not escalate to see how comfortable she is with being touched as opposed to waiting until you feel like you've built rapport, and she's attracted to you, and you've had IOI's. On the flip side, you can blow things by trying to move too fast so it takes time to learn to calibrate.

You gotta learn how to cut it(kino) off at the right times too. When the girl is shit testing you or anything else counter productive, you have to use some judgement on how or even if you want to kino. She does something you dont like, I definitely suggest a takeaway. Rewarding bad behavior is a definite no, unless its bad in a sexual way, then thats different. Then you get to spank her for being a bad girl and when she starts to be a good girl, you can spank her for that too, lol.

And I know alot of guys dont get a whole lot of practice with new girls in the end stages of a sarge. And this applies to me as well because its alot easier to open than close. But you gotta get comfortable touching a girls body sexually. Kissing places other than her lips. You know, all the kino that happens right before you close.

Since most of us wont have a new girl every day to practice on, you gotta make use of your fbs and ltrs to get comfortable in general with a womans body. You'd think it would go without saying, but some guys still post saying they have know idea what to do. Well, if you can close at least one girl, just keep laying her and get used to what youre doing.

And I honestly feel slow typing this cuz its obvious. If you've had at least one girl(i mean, old girl friend, a new lay, that one sarge when everything went right, whatever) you've been completely comfortable with, and this is more than just about kino or sex, then that feeling of comfort is what you should be aiming for when you're with other women. I don't care what routines(that you do or don't use) or techniques or methods you use, if you cant feel comfortable and natural doing it, then in the long run, its not going to be at all productive.

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Being successful with women is not about the lines you recite or the moves you make. Any loser can trick a woman into sleeping with him. That doesn't keep him from being a loser.

Its about who you are and where your focus is, not what you do. If youre comfortable with yourself, comfortable with women, and comfortable with being sexual, you ARE the kind of guy that is successful with women.

NVP